When the snowglobe is shattered the stinking ooze most ppl will be trying to get off of their shoes is postpartum psychosis. The parts of us they will be desperately trying to scrape away in the grass, are the mothers literally too scared to say yes to the little "depression" questionnaire given at the doctor's office and know they will get their kids taken away if they so much as admit to a hallucination or intrusive thought.
A thought as to why one would go for the rear naked--
None of this is in defense or, or against it’s usage. I haven’t even seen the video. So please don’t take this as commentary on it. This is merely just some perspective on why a vet goes straight for it.
As an army vet, the rear naked choke is a go-to maneuver. For several reasons. It’s simplicity to both teach and perform makes it widespread.
Only about .1% or less of the enlisted get to attend advanced training school houses. Hell, combat arms itself is only like 1-3% of the army (which, yes, is a different branch than the marines). Training is treated as a bureaucratic laundry list. From the marines that chose to come to the army rather than re-enlist, I heard worse on their end. Christ if you only knew how many people who got pushed through but couldn’t throw a grenade or couldn’t get it past the line considered a safe distance. My point being. Unless you pursue it on your own, not a lot of grappling is taught. Less than you’ll imagine even after reading that. Most of it you learn from drunken brawls with your buddies.
The rear naked is used even socially between us. Done correctly it should be brief, far less than 90 seconds, it’s a blood choke, not airway (again, if done properly). I once did so, on accident, to a drunken friend who was being too loud in a hotel room, I was trying to just restrain him, and guide him into the bathroom. My grip wasn’t even that tight but some sort of positional shift changed that in an instant. the artery flow apparently got interrupted and for a moment he went unconscious and limp, my grip reflexively loosened and then he came to, and I thought he was joking at first. when he was confused and said he had blacked out.
Then again, if someone is fighting back, you don’t always sink that proper grip that flips the lights out in 3-4 seconds. In which case, you’ll be fighting an airway.
And that’s the other thing--the Trinity of engagement that is hammered into us all: speed, surprise, violence of action.
Speed, surprise, violence of action.
Speed, surprise, violence of action.
If they had the time or resources they’d mkultra that shit into us, instead they just repeat it to you a lot.
It’s not just a policy of attack but a means of survival for you and also those next to you whom you have that covenant with, oath to.
The blood of the covenant is stronger than the water of the womb.
It’s funny how that got flipped around in modern day short hand.
So for those trained in violence, it becomes a matter of importance, for your honor to do your best to keep your teammates safe, and for your own life.
That never goes away. It’s a gene deep.
I wonder sometimes if that wiring existed before the thresher. If it only gets realized and refined.
meant to say holy shit. I saw that once, the blood choke. or something similar. fight between friends at a party. never knew it was called that. but yeah it's scary how easy it is to accidentally go too far. same thing with heimlich maneuver. people blackout or choke to death FAST when the airway is blocked.
Happens so fast. There’s a phrase in the perfect storm that Junger uses that I forget. The moment a boat reaches an angle when it will snap or capsize. Something like the non-zero point. Everything is fine until that one degree too far or one ounce of water too much. It’s all fine until that breaking point and then it’s instant.
Also^didnt mean to imply that there is never someone in the right or the wrong, just reflecting on how fast our minds jump to casting those roles and then the oddity of putting red or blue on it.
man. please keep babbling. I much appreciate and agree. a lot of the guys I worked with at the hospital were ex army. two navy guys. I learned more from them and from just doing it than from any of the classes. but they all said much the same. about new recruits being tossed to wolves. and about fighting. speed and surprise. end the fight as fast as possible. where it gets uneasy is fighting someone but trying NOT to hurt them. even in the octagon they're trying to hurt. to do damage. and EVERY fight goes to the ground. grappling is vicious business. and yeah you're right, it's three or four seconds once you fully clamp the airway. And really, ten seconds FEELS like ninety. I just couldn't figure out why every news report said he held the choke for 15 minutes. how can that be true. I don't know. to me this story is much more painful and maddening than george floyd. breaks my heart harder. because everybody at least agreed that derek chauvin was a psychopath. lock his ass up. easy. so yeah. to my mind there were two psych patients on that train. on one hand it feels crazy if daniel penny gets acquitted. seems dangerous for the right to call him a hero. likewise when the left starts calling it a lynching. but also would feel crazy if penny gets jail time while that fuckwit kyle rittenhouse is walking around free. I don't know man. I have a feeling I'm going to be writing a lot more about what it does to us. trying to figure shit out. these violent jobs. how they fuck us up. anyway I appreciate the words.
Thank you for the response. So well said. Especially about how these tragedies get put on a political spectrum--it’s odd and whether psychopaths and victims, or frightened humans led to conflict and lost in confusion--you’ve highlighted how it misses the point and the focus on mental health is a breath of fresh air. Everyone wants a hero and a villain. Maybe we jump into that binary or dialectic to short circuit having to process the tragedy of the loss of human life.
hey man, do you go by chris or christopher. anyway just wanted say I updated and added to that post and gave you a nod reference for reminding of some things I neglected to claim. not by name of course, but you'll spot it. I tend toward overly cautious with incestuous callbacks but may gradually change that notion and embrace the communal effort full speed. I also clarified my feelings about Daniel Penny and all the vets I treated over the years. anyway. keep on with the good fight. word.
Christopher, but never mind Chris in shorthand. Thank you so much, for your thoughts and writing and how many you’ve treated--both civilians and vets.
Fuck, we live in wild times. I’d like to think that we don’t simply inherit hardships, rather; we’re here now bc we can match the circumstances of the times. If evil has no ontological value, but rather is a privation of good--we can rise to the occasion. And how beautiful when we do. And the fact that we can, and do may imply some telos. And the vodka of the evening may also interfere with my articulation.
maybe this doesn't even need to be said, but I think people aim for the binary, and just want to nail it on a bad guy because, yes, nuance is uncomfortable., but also because it supports our individualistic mindset. we're told that we can bootstrap our way up or down, and wherever we end up, it's a definitely all our fault. I think that's much easier for people to believe, then acknowledge the ways that the systems of control and oppression and power influence our lives in large and minure ways. easier to believe that we have control of ourselves and our destiny, and therefore everyone else also does.
easier to pin it all on Penny, than grapple with how both of these guys had been failed. easier to drown in sand.
well said and spot on. we are def a good/bad guy minded society. if they're both victims then we're the bad guy and the big machine itself is inherently flawed i.e. structural racism etc. easier to drown in sand is a killer phrase. watch out I don't steal that hah.
When the snowglobe is shattered the stinking ooze most ppl will be trying to get off of their shoes is postpartum psychosis. The parts of us they will be desperately trying to scrape away in the grass, are the mothers literally too scared to say yes to the little "depression" questionnaire given at the doctor's office and know they will get their kids taken away if they so much as admit to a hallucination or intrusive thought.
Beyond thrilled your substack is here. Thank you.
A thought as to why one would go for the rear naked--
None of this is in defense or, or against it’s usage. I haven’t even seen the video. So please don’t take this as commentary on it. This is merely just some perspective on why a vet goes straight for it.
As an army vet, the rear naked choke is a go-to maneuver. For several reasons. It’s simplicity to both teach and perform makes it widespread.
Only about .1% or less of the enlisted get to attend advanced training school houses. Hell, combat arms itself is only like 1-3% of the army (which, yes, is a different branch than the marines). Training is treated as a bureaucratic laundry list. From the marines that chose to come to the army rather than re-enlist, I heard worse on their end. Christ if you only knew how many people who got pushed through but couldn’t throw a grenade or couldn’t get it past the line considered a safe distance. My point being. Unless you pursue it on your own, not a lot of grappling is taught. Less than you’ll imagine even after reading that. Most of it you learn from drunken brawls with your buddies.
The rear naked is used even socially between us. Done correctly it should be brief, far less than 90 seconds, it’s a blood choke, not airway (again, if done properly). I once did so, on accident, to a drunken friend who was being too loud in a hotel room, I was trying to just restrain him, and guide him into the bathroom. My grip wasn’t even that tight but some sort of positional shift changed that in an instant. the artery flow apparently got interrupted and for a moment he went unconscious and limp, my grip reflexively loosened and then he came to, and I thought he was joking at first. when he was confused and said he had blacked out.
Then again, if someone is fighting back, you don’t always sink that proper grip that flips the lights out in 3-4 seconds. In which case, you’ll be fighting an airway.
And that’s the other thing--the Trinity of engagement that is hammered into us all: speed, surprise, violence of action.
Speed, surprise, violence of action.
Speed, surprise, violence of action.
If they had the time or resources they’d mkultra that shit into us, instead they just repeat it to you a lot.
It’s not just a policy of attack but a means of survival for you and also those next to you whom you have that covenant with, oath to.
The blood of the covenant is stronger than the water of the womb.
It’s funny how that got flipped around in modern day short hand.
So for those trained in violence, it becomes a matter of importance, for your honor to do your best to keep your teammates safe, and for your own life.
That never goes away. It’s a gene deep.
I wonder sometimes if that wiring existed before the thresher. If it only gets realized and refined.
Idk. Now I’m just babbling.
still learning this app. just sent reply to comments. threads within threads.
meant to say holy shit. I saw that once, the blood choke. or something similar. fight between friends at a party. never knew it was called that. but yeah it's scary how easy it is to accidentally go too far. same thing with heimlich maneuver. people blackout or choke to death FAST when the airway is blocked.
Happens so fast. There’s a phrase in the perfect storm that Junger uses that I forget. The moment a boat reaches an angle when it will snap or capsize. Something like the non-zero point. Everything is fine until that one degree too far or one ounce of water too much. It’s all fine until that breaking point and then it’s instant.
Also^didnt mean to imply that there is never someone in the right or the wrong, just reflecting on how fast our minds jump to casting those roles and then the oddity of putting red or blue on it.
man. please keep babbling. I much appreciate and agree. a lot of the guys I worked with at the hospital were ex army. two navy guys. I learned more from them and from just doing it than from any of the classes. but they all said much the same. about new recruits being tossed to wolves. and about fighting. speed and surprise. end the fight as fast as possible. where it gets uneasy is fighting someone but trying NOT to hurt them. even in the octagon they're trying to hurt. to do damage. and EVERY fight goes to the ground. grappling is vicious business. and yeah you're right, it's three or four seconds once you fully clamp the airway. And really, ten seconds FEELS like ninety. I just couldn't figure out why every news report said he held the choke for 15 minutes. how can that be true. I don't know. to me this story is much more painful and maddening than george floyd. breaks my heart harder. because everybody at least agreed that derek chauvin was a psychopath. lock his ass up. easy. so yeah. to my mind there were two psych patients on that train. on one hand it feels crazy if daniel penny gets acquitted. seems dangerous for the right to call him a hero. likewise when the left starts calling it a lynching. but also would feel crazy if penny gets jail time while that fuckwit kyle rittenhouse is walking around free. I don't know man. I have a feeling I'm going to be writing a lot more about what it does to us. trying to figure shit out. these violent jobs. how they fuck us up. anyway I appreciate the words.
Thank you for the response. So well said. Especially about how these tragedies get put on a political spectrum--it’s odd and whether psychopaths and victims, or frightened humans led to conflict and lost in confusion--you’ve highlighted how it misses the point and the focus on mental health is a breath of fresh air. Everyone wants a hero and a villain. Maybe we jump into that binary or dialectic to short circuit having to process the tragedy of the loss of human life.
hey man, do you go by chris or christopher. anyway just wanted say I updated and added to that post and gave you a nod reference for reminding of some things I neglected to claim. not by name of course, but you'll spot it. I tend toward overly cautious with incestuous callbacks but may gradually change that notion and embrace the communal effort full speed. I also clarified my feelings about Daniel Penny and all the vets I treated over the years. anyway. keep on with the good fight. word.
*not claim. explain. fucking bots.
Christopher, but never mind Chris in shorthand. Thank you so much, for your thoughts and writing and how many you’ve treated--both civilians and vets.
Fuck, we live in wild times. I’d like to think that we don’t simply inherit hardships, rather; we’re here now bc we can match the circumstances of the times. If evil has no ontological value, but rather is a privation of good--we can rise to the occasion. And how beautiful when we do. And the fact that we can, and do may imply some telos. And the vodka of the evening may also interfere with my articulation.
maybe this doesn't even need to be said, but I think people aim for the binary, and just want to nail it on a bad guy because, yes, nuance is uncomfortable., but also because it supports our individualistic mindset. we're told that we can bootstrap our way up or down, and wherever we end up, it's a definitely all our fault. I think that's much easier for people to believe, then acknowledge the ways that the systems of control and oppression and power influence our lives in large and minure ways. easier to believe that we have control of ourselves and our destiny, and therefore everyone else also does.
easier to pin it all on Penny, than grapple with how both of these guys had been failed. easier to drown in sand.
well said and spot on. we are def a good/bad guy minded society. if they're both victims then we're the bad guy and the big machine itself is inherently flawed i.e. structural racism etc. easier to drown in sand is a killer phrase. watch out I don't steal that hah.